The Words of Hyo Jin Moon


Hyo Jin Moon
November 5, 2006

Here are my notes from Hyo-Jin-nimís speech Sunday 05 November 2006. My ability to convey what was actually said is limited. These, at most, convey some sense of what Hyo-Jin-nim said and are not a verbatim record. Hyo-Jin-nimís website is: To see one of the projects that Hyo-Jin-nim is working on log on to:
Joe Kinney

Rev. Andrew Compton is the MC.

All welcome Hyo-Jin-nim and offer a bow.

(Hyo-Jin-nim bows to the audience as he approaches the stage.)

How are you doing? Todayís topic is tradition. We talk about tradition. We all have it right? Regardless of who you are, we all have it. We inherited something from somewhere; we belonged to something prior to coming here. Everybody has tradition. To people in general, tradition is important because it deals with survivability. Time ticks forward in the timeline of history. In order to be something, in order to have something, in order to hold on to something, secure something you need to have tradition.

The value of tradition is about that; it is about securing something. It's about prolonging something, defining something, setting some kind of standard that will define you beyond your existence. Thatís what tradition is. Thatís why itís important to a lot of people.

Even on a nationalistic fervor it goes to the tradition itself to promote that kind of encouragement or that kind of fervor. You can get galvanized because people can excite you; you can get stimulated because you think youíre part of something great, not just based on survival, but it has to have somethingÖ

Just like everybody else in a free democratic society, you want to be something special. It has to have that kind of essence in the end. That defined essence, if that is true, should stand the test of time. It should go on and on and on as long as we procreate, as long as we survive on this planet. Thatís why people think tradition is important; because there is a sense of joy in knowing right? Yes, when you define joy, it always has to define a certain understanding, a clear understanding, the more clear the better, then the depth of joy will become greater.

How can we position ourselves or present ourselves to the world in terms of tradition that we want to be part of. Thatís the question everybody asks. If they think they belong to something then thatís what weíre competing with. Everybody out there who believes in God or who believes in a higher powerÖ It might not be a monotheistic value; it might be polytheistic. But still they have their own tradition that they want to present to the world and compete. Itís a never ending struggle. Why? Because I think thereís only one God, at least that what I have chosen to believe for the rest of my life. Thatís the challenge. Thatís where you start. You have to ask your self; how do I fit into this tradition. In what way can I be the best that I can be to represent the tradition?

How many people here clearly can say that I know my absolute true value; I know what give me absolute joy till the day that I die? Why, because joy comes from knowing. Divine joy comes from knowing the divine truth and it starts from you. Do I really understand my divine truth about myself? How do I fit in if I do? What can I do in knowing who I am? The divine truth, how does it configure into the greater picture of creating an ideal world? Everybody, idiosyncratic as they may be, has something that is divine, that is unique to you. You must find that and you must some how figure out how you can fit it into the greater picture. Achieving that is very difficult. It is easy said, but doing that is very difficult. Why, because if you just based on the concept of order, even in a free society like America you haveÖ I guess itís kind of healthy to a pointÖ this doubt.

Remember, America allows religious freedom. At the same time it separates religion and the state. The state is pretty much secular. Why, just to be fair. Thatís the basic premise, the basic fundamental argument because historically speaking religion hasnít been that much a kind of model institution. The cliché people say is "absolute power absolutely corrupts." Because of that, because of their distain of the founding fathers of America towards the British, their church decided this American system of government.

This is whatís being very attractive more and more to the world when more and more people are starting to empower themselves, and with their empowerment making something, making positions on their own, making definition, defining them selves on their own on the world stage.

Itís becoming more and more easy because of... One thing about todayís world that is different is that in the past it was very difficult to understand the omnipresence of God. In todayís world ubiquity, a lesser word of omnipresence is doable. The internet: You can literally transcend time and space. It doesnít matter who you are. If you have something to say you can literally use technology as we know it; you can be in one place and all around the world at the same time. Thatís the difference. Thatís why itís not going to be that easy to force upon people just by saying that this is the right way, that this is the right tradition. You really have to literally go by the principle. You canít just have it by faith; you have to have substance. You really need more substance than ever.

If things are complete in terms if restoration conditional sense wise. If that era is over, the new era is not going to be automatic; by nature itís going to be more substantial in terms of delivery of the idealism. You really have to be careful what you promise. If you donít deliver it, you canít stop people from talking to each other on a global scale at light speed.

When you deal with tradition, what is the essence? What is the essence that brings things into focus toward what is good in us? We know that centering on God that weíd believe, if we have to compete, you have to know your game in any competition. In science class get those facts correctly, not history right? You have to know what class you belong to. You have to clarify your category. You have to clearly define what youíre doing and what kind of class that youíre dealing with as a people. Other wise itís nonsense. It wonít work! Why? Itís obvious.

If you walk down a New York City street it really kind of boggles your mind if you actually think about "how the hell do I change that guy?" Every guy, every head you turnÖ where do you start?

It might be easy if you just came out of jail. You are walking where you want to walk. You donít walk where other people tell you to walk. You want to walk the line that you want to and so does everybody else in the free world. How do you achieve a tradition?

Whatís good in religion? Letís talk about whatís good in religion. I donít care what kind of religion, whatís a good teaching that everybody can agree with? Everybody wants to be special. People want to be the messiah. I donít think that they would want to be the messiah if they really understood how difficult that is.

At least we have to be sure that everything that we do in general is generally good. At least you have to back it up with your body, your mind, and your spirit and you stand alone in judgment for that if youíre in charge, if youíre responsible. Thatís where it should start.

In the basic fundamental stuff, if your children go bad then in the end then youíre responsible for your children. That kind of sense of social morality, you have to start with that. You have to be comfortable with that. We have to be sure. If you do have something; if you do represent something the basic fundamental question that you have to face is youíre on your own and youíll not blame anybody else. Youíll not just shed the tears of forgiveness and beg like a wretched wimp.

You want to go higher? OK thatís up to you, up to those people. Thatís the way it should be. Life is short. You have to make those things matter. You have to feel that that matters. Thatís the only way. In the end it comes to that. The determination has to fit the desire and the dream. Otherwise youíre only kidding your self.

It shouldnít be that easy; a thing that great shouldnít be that easy, something that awesome, that never-been-done stuff shouldnít be that easy. If you believe that nonsense well you know how itís going to end.

When you talk about individual people, "this is a rule in my house!" Well OK; if you have a house. Start with that, some kind of little kingdom. What kind of standard do you have there? And grow. As it becomes bigger it will become difficult. Unless you want something as you see it today to exist forever, you want to make changes. You seriously have to think about how things work.

In America next Tuesday (Nov 7th 2006) is Election Day. They are constantly accusing each other of this and that and playing the political game mostly by trying to degrade each other. Wouldnít it be nice if they could find something in common for a change and actually gave credit to each other? The best man win stuff even if itís an adversarial two-party system just for the sake of checks-and-balance so be it. Wouldnít that be a little different? Maybe people would actually look forward that stuff.

Thatís the (situation in the) greatest nation on this planet. Thatís reality. The funny thing is all this stuff the freedom because the government itself has to be secular for the sake of diversity of religion, and protection of it. It allows all sorts of crap as long as long as you say "well I didnít force that guy to do it. Itís his volition her volition. In the end its up to them. I didnít put a gun to their head to make them do things. I didnít hurt anybody immediately." You can pretty much get away with a lot of stuff that hurts many, many young people.

The government needs to separate from religious values in order to preserve this system which makes America unique separating from religion in order to give freedom to religion.

There are certain perks to religion, like you donít have to pay taxes. There are a lot of things to use as an excuse to justify the way things are. Mostly the justification comes from historical failures of mankind. It has nothing to do with futuristic stuff.

This is based on the past (experience) that we canít trust people in the future or present. Based on that kind of logic this will pretty much stay the way it is unless a dramatic change will happen like a catastrophe or some earthquake and Manhattan sinks into the sea or something, like some alien UFO lands on the White House lawn and says weíre going to zap your ass and says listen to this and donít listen to that. Unless that kind of stuff happensÖ Itís not going to happen, not any time soon. Unfortunately thatís the case.

They have analyzed all the possible market place, and in America just teenagers spend about forty billion dollars a years on crap. It's just escalating every year in terms of the amount of cash that they spend. Itís ridiculous. Itís a vicious cycle that feeds itself. Thatís reality. Iím not making this up.

You have to start (to make change) some where, positive re-enforcement, basic understanding in dealing with human relationships. Knowing about who we are, knowing about other religions, other people who are socially active trying to do some good in society. All those things are a useful kind of information. You have to start somewhere and thatís where you start.

Its better that your children know about those things than you do because thatís the proper way of growth. Thatís whatís ideal. People in the past people might have suffered, (because they) might not have had all the tools that your children can have. But if they (your children) do thatís called progress right?

You donít always have to make them suffer to make progress. Progress can just happen just by knowing. Knowing who you are and knowing who others are more clearly than you. They can have a better chance than you out there. Isnít that the whole point? Why do you suffer? Why do you sacrifice? Whatís the meaning of sacrifice? Itís not a sacrifice if it doesnít surmount to that. Itís just words. Iíd rather co to a comedy show and get a good laugh than just to hear a bunch of stupid words.

If children can see that, they wouldnít struggle. Iíll believe that. Thatís a good fatherís way. There is no other way of being a good father. He has to love everyone. So be it. I know what the essence of a good fatherís love is. Thatís what we have to practice in general in our reality based on our responsibility and our capability. I want to do so. Do it! Thatís the kind of stuff, thatís the only way to start the change. We have to start our changing environment even starting with your individual self. You will change if you try to do that. You have to because you want to win? I want to complete this stuff. I donít want to give up. If I say it I want to do it. For what ever reason even if you just donít want to be a failure. If youíre that primitive then start with that! You have to start somewhere.

Not everybody thatís (motivation is) love.

Anyway, take care of your selves you guys.

Iíll see you next week.

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